Muzzleloadingforum.com - Location. NEK, VT. Sep 6, 2021. #1. Took my new to me T/C Hawken .54 to the range for the first time. I was really looking forward to shooting this as it's my first .54 and I wanted to hunt with it this fall. First shot the nipple shot out into the grass never to be seen again. Took some powder to the forehead, but the glasses saved my eyes.

 
Pull out the wiping stick (ramrod) and pour out the fluid, dry, and oil the bore. Lightly oil all the metal parts, and wipe down the wooden stock. Done. From time to time wipe the stock with something; linseed oil, furniture polish, Marvel Mystery Oil, whatever depending on the type of finish on your rifle stock.. Bn da supa mark

7. Location. Vista, CA. Aug 26, 2023. #1. In my trying the patch over powder I did find more accuracy and consistency of point of impact. That being said, I was wondering about different techniques. I was placing the patch into the barrel only the depth of the short starter and then ramming my patched ball home.FOR SALE F/S Rare British Military Saddle Carbine Flintlock Lock - 1835. For sale & a very RARE find! King William IV saddle carbine lock. Has a slide safety and an "internal" frizzen spring. The lock plate measures 5.5 inches overall and is marked with a crown, W.R., TOWER and dated 1835.We thought that PPDG was dead as a bonus category with the end of 5X Ultimate Rewards earning. But there is still one bonus option left. Increased Offer! Hilton No Annual Fee 70K +...Apr 4, 2024. #13. I've got a flintlock offhand rifle in the planning stages and I'm looking at a 36-38" straight octagon 15/16" in .40. Heavier barrel to help with harmonics, shorter length for a steadier hold and a little less barrel to get that ball on its way.Apr 20, 2024 ... We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so ...The trade musket is a .62 cal or 20 gauge smoothbore musket (flintlock). The over all appearance of the musket is very nice. It has a browned finished, instead of the standard bluing. The barrel is octagon shaped for about 1/3 of the barrel length transitioning to a round barrel with 2 "wedding bands".4. Sep 7, 2008. #8. There's almost as many different types of patchbox release mechanisms as their are schools of longrifles. Some builders that try to recreate specific longrifles as exactly as possible try to use the same type of mechanism as the original rifle they are copying, even if the mechanism is hidden.40 Cal. This is a Numrich Arms Swivel Breech rifle in .45. Build by Hopkins and Allen in early 70s. I bought this rifle for a much grander project. I was planning to make wooden side panels for barrels and reset ramrod pipes. Stock had damage to toe, that I repaired, as well as a cracked buttplate. Had to take a much larger one and refit it.The Deerslayer was published in 1841, and is set a century earlier in the 1740's on beautiful Otsego Lake (Cooperstown, NY). It's a work of fiction, and no more bound by historical reality than is Hollywood. The Edward Marshall rifle is the earliest surviving American Rifle that I know of, and it dates from the 1760's.11,710. Location. St. Louis, MO. Jul 5, 2023. #3. What John Gemmer built was based on the architecture of the S. Hawken Plains and California rifles of the late 1860's. Using the S. Hawken plans as a guide to the parts you will have in the Investarms Gemmer kit is a good basis. I have seen one Gemmer Rifle.Oct 18, 2020. #1. Yesterday I was fortunate enough to kill a nice buck with my .54 flintlock using a .530 round ball with a .018 patch over 80 grains of Swiss FFG at about 60 yards.. Although I posted the fact I was blessed with success, I neglected to comment on the sheer power displayed by the round ball I shot.Much more than a modern firearm that has had 200 rounds through it. Use lubes like olive oil or crisco or whatever you like best while you're shooting to keep the fouling soft enough to re-load. Even the small amount of wax in my paper fiber wads helps a lot to keep the fouling soft.Jan 11, 2020. #34. I have a TC Hawken that i fit an L&R flintlock to, then added a GM 62 Cal smooth barrel rifled by Mr. Rayl. The open sights would not stay in focus so I removed the rear sight and installed a Skinner Sights lo pro peep in the screw hole by the hammer.Dec 20, 2022. #12. I bought a Sitting Fox Pennsylvania in .54 cal smoothbore. It was my third kit, the first two were Dixie. They have good quality parts, but the kit needs work, and you must have tools. Mine is iron mounted, single trigger, straight barrel, and I browned everything. It has been very reliable.The Gun Builder's Bench | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the ...Powder charge. Nitro (hard) card. Shotload. Thin overshot card. Full fiber cushion wad*. *The cushion wad needs to be SATURATED (the wetter and heavier, the better) with oil. I like to use olive oil. The load seems to shine best when used in cylinder bored guns. Best of luck to all, Skychief.Hi Jim, My first muzzle loader was a TC.45 seneca. Our club held shoots monthly in the summer and I practiced every Saturday. My gun liked 70 grs.3f goex,.440 rb,.015 pillow ticking,and crisco for lube.It shot 1-1/4" groups @ 100 yds. from sand bag rest. Hunting load was 90 grs.goex w/Lee minie bullet.Jan 14, 2024. #4. Make sure the flint is sharp and properly positioned in the lock. Note: I am of the belief that time slows when firing a flintlock. I can hear the hxammer rotate and the flint scraping on the frizzen as the sparks start the powder burning.I got it home and it was a .50 cal.,, CVA frontier in great shape with a ball stuck about 3 inches from the breech. I pulled the nipple and clean out screw and pushed the ball closer to the breech. There was no powder under it so I dribbled in about 20 grains of 3f and replaced the screw and nipple. Of course I was out of #11 caps so I used a ... Join the online community of muzzleloader enthusiasts and share your experiences, tips, questions and photos. Browse the latest posts on topics such as wet weather tips, bullet stability, flintlocks, percussion caps, and more. The dovetails on a CVA Hawken are metric (don't know the exact size) smaller than the 3/8 sights most suppliers have. I bought the 3/8 and with a little judicious filing on them they fit the CVA dovetails. I didn't want to enlarge the dovetails in case I went back to the stock sights. The front & rear are the same size.Reaction score. 1,088. Location. oklahoma. Jan 6, 2022. #1. Im just getting in to muzzleloaders and am with the American custom gunmakers guild. Im wanting to get a Lyman great Plains Rifle to restock to be my first try at it before I do a whole kit gun. Im wanting the Lyman 50 caliber percussion, right hand.Jul 31, 2022. #2. The T/C PA Hunter is a good rifle. I have both the flint and percussion. I think the 450-550 price range is more like a value. However, the lock needs attention as the geometry of the original T/C can be improved for more reliable performance. I sent mine out to Cabin Creek Muzzleloaders to be re-worked.Almost perfect. Started life as a CVA . Beautiful deep blue. Custom built. Perfect bore. Nipple and clean out screw unscrew easily and are not damaged. Trigger is light and crisp. Very accurate. One of a kind. $300 shipped and insured to your door. Open to all trades including U.S. coins.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Reaction score. 1,310. Location. Deep South, Y'all. Jun 23, 2022. #3. I recently had some fun launching .562 balls out of a .56 SB Renegade. Charge was 80 grains of Pyrodex with a Bees Wax and Crisco lubed Durafelt wad over the powder and under a naked ball. Setting things off was CCI Musket Caps on a Musket Nipple.Jan 14, 2024. #4. Make sure the flint is sharp and properly positioned in the lock. Note: I am of the belief that time slows when firing a flintlock. I can hear the hxammer rotate and the flint scraping on the frizzen as the sparks start the powder burning.The subject got on Uberti vs Pietta. He said that Uberti upgraded the factory to modern C&C machining and other "upgrades" to offset labor costs. Once that was complete they retired or laid off most of the skilled labor. While Uberti was making the upgrades, Pietta watched as they were considering similar factory upgrades.Alberta. Mar 18, 2024. #1. Hello from NZ, I am a keen hunter and get out as often as I can here chasing red deer as well as feral pigs and goats. I am in the process of moving to Alberta, Canada (wifey is Canadian) and I'm looking forward to connecting with the black powder community over there. Currently shooting a CVA percussion in 45cal PRB ...The Craftsman. Muzzleloading related things you've made or have questions about making - Knives, Tomahawks, Horns, Clothing, Bags, etc. Traditional Only - no modern designs. Do not post items unrelated to Muzzleloading. This is not a "general craft" category.415. Reaction score. 1. Apr 24, 2014. #13. I use Barricade- formerly marketed as Sheath- for rust protection after cleaning with kitchen tap hot water and dish soap to clean barrel and lock. A cleaning patch is dampened well with Barricade, and rubbed all over the lock and exterior metal parts of the rifle.A 1:48 twist in larger calibers (.45 and up) is generally very finicky in what it will shoot accurately with. Ask any serious Buffalo match or bench rest shooter what the twist is in their rifles. Invariably they will be 1:66; 1:72 or even 1:144.540. Location. Uwharrie Mountains, N. Carolina. Mar 25, 2024. #1. Navy Arms powder measure, unmarked pan primer, and a ball starter. $35 shipped CONUS. PM if interested. PayPal Friends and Family or money order accepted.Almost perfect. Started life as a CVA . Beautiful deep blue. Custom built. Perfect bore. Nipple and clean out screw unscrew easily and are not damaged. Trigger is light and crisp. Very accurate. One of a kind. $300 shipped and insured to your door. Open to all trades including U.S. coins.Traditional Muzzleloading on the Cheap - Info Center. 170762 Posts in 21384 Topics by 144 Members. Latest Member: smdoyle. Latest Post: "Re: Powder" ( Today at … Flintlock Rifles | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks ... Hang on (or don't) for dear life! Join our newsletter for exclusive features, tips, giveaways! Follow us on social media. We use cookies for analytics tracking and advertising from...I am in the process of finding the most accurate hunting bullet for my 1:38 twist 58 cal carbine In the line up are 580 grain Maxi-ball, 560 grain Maxi-hunter, 440 grain REAL as well as some oversized minie ball 500 grain. I wish I could get my hands on some more maxi-hunters.5 days ago ... We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so ...20. Location. Western Connecticut. Feb 27, 2023. #1. EZ Loader I Cap & Ball Revolver cylinder loader. Sold through Powder Inc. Can be used with all percussion Cap & Ball revolvers. , 40-45 cal and 32-36 cal. All hardware, fittings, instructions included.Mar 9, 2010. #20. You know all ML shooters have thier own priorities. I would never build or request a flintlock rifle with a patent breech. When I dump a load of powder in the barrel I want it to flow directly to the touch hole. IMHO the modern patent breech does not allow that as well as a normal breech. Salt. 1.I had a couple of Uberti 1858's a while back, but gave them to my son. However, I did do a little research. @64Springer is right in that you can go blind reading all there is out there, but my guess is you're aware of this and asking for some suggestions to narrow it down. Forget about brand names for a few minutes, and look at features.4. Sep 7, 2008. #8. There's almost as many different types of patchbox release mechanisms as their are schools of longrifles. Some builders that try to recreate specific longrifles as exactly as possible try to use the same type of mechanism as the original rifle they are copying, even if the mechanism is hidden.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.8. Oct 21, 2009. #1. Re: the CVA "USA" marked Mountain rifles only (not the second, non USA marked version)... I'm trying to get an idea how many of these rifles were made. I personally know of serial numbers as low as less than 200 (00001XX), and almost as high as 44,000 (00439XX). That's a lot of rifles (or at least barrels) for a young ...First, @TrippyMcGuire556 should remove the nipples. Apply Kroil or a mix of acetone and automatic transmission fluid to penetrate the rust. Use a sturdy nipple wrench and tap the end while turning to loosen the nipple. Second, insert a zerk fitting on the nipple seat and use a grease gun to remove the slug.Oct 10, 2020 · Weighs just over 8lbs, so it's quite handy for a double barrel gun. Barrel swivel detents are nice and solid. Seems in decent shape overall. These are fairly uncommon so if you're thinking about playing with a swivel breech this is about as affordable as it gets. $550 Shipping Included. Last edited: Oct 24, 2021. Reaction score. 789. Location. Lufkin,Texas. Jun 22, 2020. #1. I finally have a shootable Navy arms Buffalo Hunter .58. The first one froze nupple cracked stock in 2 places so I bought a 2nd one this one is a shooter. Managed groups under 2 inches at 50 yards using a .58 maxi from track of the wolf 100 grains Goex 2F felted over powder.733. Location. Jacksonville, Florida. Dec 4, 2022. #9. The best range rod I have ever owned is the 44" stainless steel Creedmoor rod threaded 8/32 with a brass muzzle protector. I have broken and lost many range rods over the years and the Creedmoor steel rod from Track of the Wolf is the best I have ever used.Messages. 7,913. Reaction score. 1,950. Apr 21, 2013. #8. According to the Greenhill formula for calculating the spin required for a given bullet length or, conversely, length of bullet which can be stabilized by a given twist, a twist of 1:66 will work for bullets .568" long or shorter in a .50 caliber. Spence.Kevin Houlihan said: There's a ton of room for the rear lock bolt. The bolt will screw into the bolster to the rear of the screw that attaches the bolster to the plate. Next drill your front lock bolt so it will screw into the lock plate in front of the main spring. Be sure to miss the barrel and the ramrod groove.33,410. Reaction score. 8,508. Location. Phoenix, AZ. Feb 26, 2019. #2. A company that called itself Ultra-Hi tried getting into the black powder muzzleloading game back in the 1970's by importing low cost guns. I'm not sure where they were made but I think it was Spain.Phoenix, AZ. Jun 3, 2020. #5. As long as the gun meets the ATFE's guidelines for it being an antique and it is unloaded, the post office will ship it. The ATFE basically says any firearm made before 1898 that is muzzleloading or shoots a cartridge that is no longer available qualifies it as an antique.Apr 8, 2024. #13,627. helped my BIL uncrate his woods runner from Kibler that has sat in his living room for 4 days . then he watched 3 hours of Jim assembling, and finishing through to the scraping. BIL was exhausted from all the work Jim did so put screws back into the crate and set the rifle in the shop to acclimate.Spring Rendezvous Oregon. Please join the Forest Hills Black Powder Brigade for its annual Spring Rendezvous in Mill City, Oregon May 24-27. Events include black powder rifle/pistol/trade gun, hawk and knife, primitive archery, frying pan toss, long gong shoot, children's games and activities, traders, primitive and... gferlitsch.Word spread of the prowess of the two hunters with these new guns. In the shop of a gunsmith in Young America, Illinois, a hanger-on named Russell M. Faburn got to examine one of Kimble's guns, and, unable to inspect the entire bore, concluded that it was a recess cut only right behind the muzzle.Also known as a living trust, a revocable trust allows you to plan your estate by creating a written agreement that appoints one person to manage your assets. When you die, the tru...Feb 12, 2023. #1. I had not been able to find someone (in Oz) who could/would machine the dovetails for the underlugs and sights on my Baker Rifle build and I couldn't find much on-line covering the process so I ended up having a crck at it myself with some pretty basic tools. This is my first ever build so I am very new to this and so I can ...Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.May 8, 2023 · May 8, 2023. #1. After reading the "Terms and Rules" at the bottom of this page I thought I had an understanding of this forum. Because of this there was a discussion in the Unmentionables post where there was a difference of opinion between myself and a couple other members. Apparently there was a thread by Zonie back in 2018 in the "Forum ... Jan 23, 2024. #5. It was pre-Covid, but Bobby Hoyt bored & rifled a couple of barrels for me at IIRC, $135 each. One he did he was going to freshen, but the rifling was a left hand twist and he couldn't do that so bored it out from .50 to .54. That was a T-C Pennsylvania Hunter with the reverse twist. ~Kees~.6,788. Reaction score. 8,674. Location. Western North Carolina. Feb 15, 2020. #3. Well, if you want shoot really big game, Val Forgett (owner of Navy Arms) used one in Africa in 1973 as his ‘less heavily loaded’ gun to take a number of animals. His load in the Buffalo Hunter was a 610 grain Minie over 125 grains of fff.1. Jan 19, 2009. #2. While the patent breech is an old design, the hook-breech is not. Today the hook-breech is used mainly on halfstock rifles and shotguns so the barrels can be quickly removed. When you have a fullstock rifle there will be very few times when you want to remove the barrel.A 54 cal 66 twist FL pistol with 60 gr of FFF will shoot well enough to hit the kill zone of a deer to at least 50 yards and this is as far as ANYONE should be shooting at unwounded game with a FL pistol. It would will also hit a grouse's head/neck at 10-20 yards.127. Reaction score. 252. Dec 23, 2021. #6. necchi said: With the kit stock as received, lightly wet it, that will enhance the grain appearance. If your stock presents areas of open grain (you'll see it) you could use a light slurry of a bone black agent and sand it back a bit after it dries.54 Cal. You're right in saying that you will have to experiment with your gun to find out for sure. Most of my .54's do fine for deer with .530 roundball in .015 patch over 80 grains of 3f Swiss. However, I do have one .54 that prefers a 425 grain Great Plains bullet and 100 grains of 2f.69 Cal. I’m working on a TOW Brown Bess Kit, which according to Jess Melot the owner of the rifle shoppe, the 1746 Wilets kit was a kit he designed 30 years ago for CD Jarnigan Co. That was copied over by Track of the Wolf. On a difficultly level, I can’t really say much because its my first kit build.After a Kia and Hyundai agreed to a $200 million car theft settlement, it's still hard for vehicle owners to get affordable auto insurance. By clicking "TRY IT", I agree to receive...I have for sale a CVA Bobcat rifle. Factory camo synthetic stock, 26 inch barrel, 1/48 twist. Brass blade front sight and semi buckhorn rear. Overall in very good condition. No rust or pits. Leather sling included. $ 200.00 plus shippingA key to the formula is to draw a line along the comb and it should pass right through the tumbler screw for the flint cock and just under the pan. That formula is also true for Brown Bess muskets. Moreover, the angle of the butt plate is almost perpendicular to the comb line.Stack all that over FFFG black powder. Start your charges around 45-50 grains of powder. Increase the charge 5 grains at a time until you find what the rifle likes. Consider getting a range rod for loading, use the short starter you have shown in the photo.6,835. Reaction score. 7,792. Dec 5, 2023. #1. Rec'd. the Dec. Muzzle Blasts 12/5; they said pallets of the issue are still at the St. Louis PO distribution due to a "mercury contamination issue"! Maybe the same printer/mailer handled the Muzzleloader magazine issues?Firearm Identification | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account ...Virginia. Dec 21, 2022. #2. Thanks for sharing the link! With how esoteric the pre flintlock systems are, it would be great to consolidate information on making each type (snap matchlock, normal matchlock, snaphance, wheellock, combination lock). Obviously something like a wheellock requires a high level of skill and forgoing resources, but if ...Pro's and Con's wanted from those who have owned or fired this rifle. Been looking for something a bit more traditional to replace my Bobcat with and the St Louis Hawken is one I have been looking at recently. Have also looked at the Lyman Trade rifle and Traditions Woodsman. Any comments on...0. Jan 29, 2007. #1. Hi, Most of my muzzleloader experience is with tc hawkens... I just picked up a used Traditions Deer Hunter, percussion, 1:48" twist 24" barrel, Its a little older model with the wood stock and thin fixed rubber butt plate...gun is in really nice shape, but it needs a few things ! The first and most important is the flat ...Phoenix, AZ. Jan 13, 2017. #14. His experiance with Remington's binding up because of fouling could be due to his shooting a replica of a Remington Beal's. This model of the 1858 was the first version and it was very poor at scraping the …Location. Camino, CA. Yesterday at 4:43 PM. #1. 2001 Pietta Remington 1858 NMA revolver, .44 caliber, in excellent used condition. Stainless frame/cylinder with 8” barrel, walnut grips. $320 shipped.Shot my Pedersoli Kentucky Kit Rifle today. It's my second trip to a range and my first flintlock. It's .45 cal and I was using 45 gn fffg and a .010 pillow ticking patch shooting from a rest. Lot's of work left but I am happy with the group at 25 yds. Here are pics of the rifle and target...One is a rusty JC Higgens .22 missing its clip, a .177 pellet rifle with a plugged barrel and a rusty CVA 12 guage percussion double barrel shotgun. We have a few kids in the neighborhood so I thought, "It really wouldn't be good for a kid to find these and make off with them. Somebody might get hurt."

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Kibler information | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account ...Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Throat: .448". As final observation, both barrels are tight at the frame threads. Well, that leaves me pretty well stuck as far as improvements. I'd hoped to ream the cylinder to .001 over groove diameter, but I'm not terribly excited about reaming it to .461. At the same time I have only .001" rifling engagement!Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Aug 8, 2021 · 209 Guests, 3 Users Users active in past 15 minutes: Rufus, The Stumbler, BruceH. Most Online Today: 316.Most Online Ever: 1042 (February 21, 2023, 06:14:54 AM) I use the rear tang screw and if needed, drill and tap a new whole in the tang. Some of the TC rifle and some of the Pedersoli's come with a hole already there, but of not, do not panic, it's an easy 5 minute job to drill and tap a 6/32 or 8/32 hole. BTW - TOTW has the best prices on the Pedersoli Ghost sights.Both rifles will produce comparable accuracy/precision. Using a 50 yard zero, the difference in drop between the two at this range is less then an inch, 45cal (4.9”), 58cal (5.7”), The initial gap in velocity evens up at 100 yards with the 45cal at 997FPS compared to the 58cal at 992FPS, even with the 300FPS difference at the muzzle.Nov 2, 2023. #10. I tried the dawn thing, just to slimy for my liking. I use simple green and water as my patch lube 50/50. I keep the little hand sanitizer containers with the snap open lids on them and use it for woods walk, they work great. My buddy gave me some vape oil containers with screw tops, wash them out and put the simple green mix ...Pour quickly, and swing the sprue plate after the puddle on top hardens with a gloved hand: don't strike it with anything. If the balls don't fall from the mold lightly tap the handles at the bolt where they come together and they will fall out. Don't worry about the sprue (flat spot) on the ball. Click to expand...Andover, VT. Apr 28, 2021. #4. Chunk gun shooting goes way back before the mid 1900s. Our ML club has a barrel dating to the Civil War era that has been re-breeched, re-stocked, and rifling re-cut many times. All the flats have multiple dovetails on them as it’s had under lugs and sights at every position possible..

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